On Tuesday, multiple media outlets reported that a US judge had ordered former vice president Mike Pence to testify about his conversations with Donald Trump leading up to the 2021 assault on the Capitol. According to reports, Washington’s Chief Judge James Boasberg ruled that Pence must provide answers to a federal grand jury regarding any questions probing potential criminality by the then-president.
However, the reports indicated that Pence could decline to discuss his actions on the day of the insurrection itself, when he was serving as president of the Senate for the certification of the election.
The ruling, which remains under seal, marks a partial victory for the Justice Department as it probes the insurrection that was linked to several deaths, left more than 100 police officers wounded, and led to more than 1,000 arrests.
As Trump is running for the White House again in 2024, and Pence indicated he may challenge him for the Republican nomination, investigators are probing Trump’s role in provoking the violence on January 6, 2021, as part of a broader alleged effort to cling to power after losing the presidential election to Joe Biden. Both Pence and the government’s quasi-independent prosecutor, Special Counsel Jack Smith, can challenge the parts of the decision that did not go in their favor.
Neither has announced whether they intend to appeal, although Pence has previously vowed to fight his summons all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.
Pence and Trump have been at loggerheads since Pence refused to go along with Trump’s efforts to overturn the election.
“So Help Me God,”
Pence has already described many of the relevant conversations with Trump in “So Help Me God,” a memoir published last year, but he refused to testify before a House committee that investigated the insurrection.
He had argued unsuccessfully that he was allowed to avoid giving evidence under the Constitution’s “Speech or Debate” clause, which shields officials in Congress from legal proceedings specifically related to their work.
The judge also rejected a separate assertion by Trump of executive privilege — which protects aides from having to testify about certain conversations with presidents.
The offices of Trump and Pence did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Trump is frontrunner by a considerable margin in the contest to be the Republican nominee in the 2024 presidential election.
But he faces legal jeopardy on several fronts, including a separate federal investigation into his handling of classified documents and probes into election interference in Georgia and a hush money payment in New York.
He denies all wrongdoing, claiming to be the victim of a multi-pronged “witch hunt.”
